India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the launch of an Indian-Russian assault rifle production plant at Korwa, during a speech in the nearby town of Amethi on Sunday. The site is due to produce AK-203 Kalashnikov assault rifles for Indian security forces, according to TASS news agency.

“This joint venture will be beneficial for us,” said Modi during the ceremony, adding that “at this moment I thank our nation’s closest friend Russian President Vladimir Putin for this venture.”

The compound, jointly run by India’s Ordnance Factory Board (OAB) and Russia’s Kalashnikov Concern, is licensed to produce up to 700,000 AK-203s, as TASS reports.

 

 

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Another Russian step into the international weapons market.

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India is Russia’s #1 export client for very long, thus US have managed to take 15% of the Indian market. IMHO, Modi does a political move through this since :

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– India has rejected Su-57 despite co-funder at 50%. Rafale is stealthier
– MiG-21 and MiG-27 will be replaced by domestically built Tejas
– India already backed out of the Il-214/276 co-funded project

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Dassault, Safran and Thales are building factories in India, moreover, Dassaut is helping HAL at making Tejas really effective => The Indian fighter-jet market is dead for Russia!

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Tejas will receive the French Thales radar and soon will be tested with the 98kN version of the Rafale’s engine which will help on Tejas’ two flaws :

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Lack of thrust of GE F404 engine (used on Hornet and Gripen-A/B/C/D) and lack of room for internal fuel (M88 is much smaller)

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Dassault already provided the modified blueprints in 2017. They’re also teaming with ADA/HAL for the AMCA which is scheduled to replace Flankers in the Mid 2030’s

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@Daeshbags-Sux, not lack of thrust but US sanctions resulted into a switch. That led to French involvement as development aid. Currently they have plans for the stronger GE’s F414 to be manufactured in India under a technology transfer arrangement.

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Strange since India produces her own riffle, the INSAS :
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And AK-203 means switching from 5.56×45 to 7.62×39

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If one wants something with more kick, 5.56×45 allows to switch to .243WSSM which is probably the most interesting cartridge for an assault riffle, even if not so massively available as usual calibres.

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its parent case, the .300winchester-magnum is… And this caliber allows to get rid of the usual 5.56NATO, .308NATO and Russian 5.45×39, 7.62×39 and 7.62×54 while getting better ballistics.

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Modi is creating another typically Indian logistics nightmare again.

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At the present day, incl AK-203, India uses : 9 types of AR+2 machinegun in 5.56x45NATO; 5x AR in 7.62×39Ru; 1 AR+5 snipers+1 machinegun in 7.62x51NATO, 1 sniper+1 machinegun in 7.62×54Ru, 1 AR in 6.8x43SPC.

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In place of this, using .243WSSM, you’d just need a single modular bullpup assault riffle to switch the types of barrels according to needs…

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Then add a single bolt-action riffle since you may need an ultra accurate riffle, e.g. to help liberating hostages. With a 64-65cm barrel, .243WSSM is more accurate than .300winch-mag at 1km

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They simply could use a design that now is publc-domain, e.g. Steyr Aug or FAMAS and customise it to all actual bells and whistles.

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@Daeshbags-Sux, no. You do not get loans and/or know how sold on a public domain weapon…

BTW: Mon cher, No idea who votes down on interesting specialist contributions. Guess the votes are not about the contributions but personal. This is IMHO contra productive.

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Public domain comes once patents are at end. FAMAS or Steyr AUG are so, same for good ole’ H&K G3, etc. Moreover, MAS closed its doors, France stopped to build mil. riffles

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Thales-Australia has created a modernised Aug for the Aussie+NZ Armies with all actual stuff : Picatiny rails, polymers, etc…

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Thus the STANAG magaines are still optional.
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I’d go for a modernized FAMAS G2 any day! Moreover, it shoots very fast (1000RPM)
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They’ve been upgraded in 2010 with rails BTW
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Stern : “BTW: Mon cher…/… This is IMHO contra productive.”
=> They lack IQ and knowledges to be able to argue. I don’t care about thumbdowns from terrorism fanboys

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@Daeshbags-Sux, unproductive since it makes valuable posts sink and stigmatized – so they are
less likely to be read.

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@Daeshbags-Sux, the Indians have Ak – 47 also.

Kaliber: 7,62 x 39 mm (Patrone „M43“)

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In fact, India already uses AKM, Vz-58 and AK-103 w. M1943 Patrone. I don’t think any army still uses AK-47, or they really must be 3rd world and ultra-poor

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When it comes to know-how, Indian ARDE was established in 1958 and Ordnance Factory Board in 1802 and has a $3bln annual revenue w.164k employees.

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They already produce 3 types of AR, 1 LMG, 1 PDW and 1 Hi-calibre snipe for Indian army, not counting licensed-products

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DRDO dev’d the Multi Calibre Individual Weapon System (MCIWS) which is modular, taking 5.56NATO, 7.62×39Ru and 6.8mm SPC

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What’s the point about importing or license-building AK-203 or other firearms while OFB, ARDE and DRDO are very competent?

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Simple! Corruption and bribes on military brasses! And the worst is when the Congress-party rules : Rahul Ghandi is for sale, hehe!

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@Daeshbags-Sux, graft is a possibility I did not think of. But maybe it is also the kick a notorious scrounger gets from getting a financed factory. 🙂

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Look, for the Tejas fighter-jet, the AF went up to ask for 31 mods in a single year, then asked for their contrary the next year!

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The last trend in the AF : since now they access Rafale, they want modular engines everywhere…

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…Errr, only Safran can do it! Don’t hope Saturn or Klimov deliver such for Sukhois or MiGs in near future!

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Indians are even worst than the French or the Jews when it comes to haggling or paltering 😉 It can last forever!

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Hey, 11 years to decide between 6 fighter-jets in order to purchase 126 units then 4 years more to have a contract of 36 units 🙂

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@Daeshbags-Sux, You might be right about the Indian army. But the Indian source I pointed too, Indiatimes, speak of the use of AK-47 by frustrated forces fighting insurgency e.g. Central Reserve Police Force, the world’s largest group of what I’d compare with WW II Ornungspolizei.

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DBS, Indian Rifle INSAS has a lot of chronic issues gun jamming, rifle going into automatic mode when it was set for three-round bursts and oil falling on a user’s eyes during combat operations.

The Military was looking out for suitable alternate for long time. Among the various options available Indian Government went along with Kalashnikov Russia. This replacement was long pending & overdue.

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DBS, Indian Rifle INSAS has a lot of chronic issues gun jamming, rifle going into automatic mode when it was set for three-round bursts and oil falling on a user’s eyes during combat operations.

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@Daeshbags-Sux, INSAS has a reliability problems. Plus INSAS incapacitates mainly – bad against insurgents – who use AK-47 optimized to kill. So many Indian forces use other rifles.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-ak-203-superior-to-insas-will-end-forces-hunt-for-a-reliable-rifle/articleshow/68248283.cms

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They already have replacements for INSAS : MCIWS and Excalibur, I know the issue 😉 Insurgents are not regular troops, you can use hollow-points

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THIS is optimised to kill, no matter the calibre.

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@Daeshbags-Sux, while you legally can – you must keep in mind that they were banned as inhuman.

AFAIK, MCIWS has indeed found interest with the para military services. But INSAS based Excalibur was only traded as an interim assault rifle until a suitable replacement was found for the army.

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But is Putin’s wife Bashar Assad hanged? Not yet?

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How can two gays Putin and Assad destroy Islam? Putin and Assad are allies of Israel and India.

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It’s VERY easy to destroy Islam! Just vaporise the Ka’aba+Black Stone. No need for a nuke, a good thermobaric is enough for the job.

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Russian women will work to death, the Russians will work ten years after their death.
Why? Because Putin spilled Russian money on the Assad dictatorship.

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Ridiculous : Russians are too drunk to work. Moreover, 36% of Russian economy is sales of natural as to the EU.

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NO WAY Russian will let the Qatar/Iran North-Dome/South-Pars gas-field (the biggest on Earth) gain pipeline access to the EU! NEVER!

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If necessary, Putin will do nuclear surface blasts in order to maximise fallouts=> too much radioactivity to build anything, incl. a pipeline.

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Or since he sold nuke plants to Turkey and Iran, these could have a major incident, worst than Chernobyl…

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Remember what Putin said at the start of the Ru intervention in Syria? He declared “I hope we won’t have to nuke”… He also once said “Russia is not married with Assad”

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So now you know why Russians are here and how far they’re ready to go!

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Russian intervention, at its height, didn’t costed more than $3M/24h… Moreover, this was taken on drill and weapons tests costs. Russia tested 200+ new types of weapons in Syria.

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And got free advertising from all media 😉 Russia regained her traditional place as #2 arms exporter over France which was #2 for a short time.

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Now maybe China is #3, you can’t really know : they don’t publish their results 😉

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Now Alma-Antey is even in the Top-10 best revenue arms company. Unfortunately, it’s state-owned or I’d be share-holder, just like for Thales, GIAT, Safran, Rafael, Elbit, etc 😉

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@Daeshbags-Sux, A pity – just like FN Herstal & GIAT = Nexter Systems, RAFAEL…

I am only in for Elbit and Thyssenkrupp.

Sold GE in time.

p.s. Thales, Safran are CAC shares
French are hard to retrieve high tax.